« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 08:41:36 AM »
rakuli,
That's good; i mean the 'waves'. I call them 'giddies' for the giddiness, the feeling of instability, they seem to produce in me when I encounter an idea (or worse, make one up) that is way out-of-the-box from what I am accustomed to thinking about on a particular subject. The feeling used to make me apprehensive. Now, I use it as a barometer of how embedded my own thought was in old paradigms that must be relinquished in order to appreciate a new paradigm or idea. It often tells me something about where I was coming from, and I liken the feeling to having a foot in both camps and swinging back and forth between them. The old idea is ingrained and doesn't want to let go - its a conservative impulse and has its own value for that reason. A new paradigm can only set up that reaction when it is, for some reason, truly compelling - then it competes fairly, on its merits, with the old paradigms.
Turning to your question, I think the matter does raise questions about the nature of 'relative wealth'. My instinct tells me that the resolution lies in the fact of separating out something that isn't much touched upon. This is how I put it in another paper:
"A succinct rendering of my complex thoughts about a just and humane economics has always alluded me. I got it down to my 'National Service' program, but could not put my finger on where, in our present view, things got torqued. Then, it finally dawned on me:
Marx identified the problem nexus as the question: "Who owns the means of production?"
That still has importance with regards to things like preventing the damage corporate structures do, through their manipulations and through their product offerings, pricing, toxicity, pollution and the like. But, all that is irrelevant when it comes to labor, which was what Marx was talking about and why capitalism is so fiercely opposed to his program. The question for labor is not "Who owns the means of production"; but, rather,
"Who owns the means of survival?"
Even with the farsightedness to provide an answer such as, 'the worker owns the means of survival by virtue of his ability to work', the hidden agenda of conventional economics remains, "Yes, but it is only through attaching that ability to the means of production that his survival can be realized." From that viewpoint, the argument becomes a self-referencing tautology and we're back to the question "Who owns the means of production?". That is exactly the Gordion Knot which my proposal [ie. 'National Service'] unties. It removes the means of survival, and only that, from dominance by the means of production (en toto), whether it be a communist or capitalist structure that claims ownership.
Though my proposal achieves the required separation between the means of survival and the means of production, until now I never saw that clearly and did not understand exactly how the trick was accomplished. Only that I had found one way of accomplishing it. Now I can see why my solution, though it may not be the most elegant, is a stunning achievement. I don't think the problem has ever really been understood in these terms. - r"
In my 'National Service' proposal, the basic 'survival elements' are listed as modest provision of food, shelter, health care, transportation, information, and education. These are the basic stuffs of life, without out which any other test of wealth must collapse - the person who suffers from deprivation in one of these areas cannot compete at all. The 'everyone else is at the same place as me' notion simply fails to be applicable to those who suffer starvation, exposure, ignorance, isolation or disease. So, the first grade on the platform of relative wealth is whether those being compared stand on a footing from which they can survive and participate in any discussion of wealth beyond those basics.
After that, the 'grubstake' idea does not imply any statement about how those who share an 'equal start' in life with everyone else will use their capital. Will they squander it, invest it, save it? Will they increase its value or diminish it over time? Will they try their best and still fail? Will small turns of fortune make large differences? No one can say. So, while the initial state under the 100% formula does say that everyone begins with an equal dip into the largess of the society into which they were born, nothing is changed about those who will find that their grubstake makes them relatively wealthy, and those that find it did them little good. It only says, no one gets a whopping advantage at the expense of everyone else - that's what the present system of inheritance says. It says, if, by accident of birth, you are born into circumstances of wealth (or poverty) you will start out with advantages (or disadvantages) which had nothing to do with you at all.
The second part of your question is a little out of my competence. I'm not really certain about the effects on inflation and such matters. It really needs a bonafide economist to sort that out. My first thought is that the proposal does not create any new wealth or credit, it merely redistributes it from one generation to the next. I would guess that part of the answer lies in whether the 'market' will simply try to advantage itself (as it often does) by attempting get whatever it can from the consumer. This is a clear aberration of the principle of 'supply and demand' and one that is rampant in unconstrained economies. Still, it happens.
However, since wealth is simply parceled out in smaller packets to a much larger number of consumers, I think the real shifts would be in the valuation of 'luxury goods' which demand market-price based on large excesses of disposable-income among a very few. Big-ticket luxury items would probably suffer the greatest hit and be forced to adjust downward, or disappear altogether. I think the proposal does allow for a much clearer picture of 'real-world' wealth, and that is a healthy thing, I would think. It means that top-end goods which can no longer be supported were things that world could not really afford anyway -- they were goods that were bought at the expense of other people's necessities. Would ordinary goods, foodstuffs, housing and the like be priced upwards as well, to capture as much of the largess from ordinary grubstake recipients as possible? If this idea is coupled with the 'National Service' proposal, the answer is a definite no. The market will no longer be able to threaten consumers' survival and price-gouge them for necessities. For the rest of it, I simply don't know. But, at least the consumer will have the option not to buy if they think the price too dear, and that is the way a real 'free market' should work.
Finally, the 100% proposal only touches a small number of people in any given year (those who are born/become adults in any given year, and those who die in a given year. What %of of the population or its wealth is that? I don't know the answer, off-hand, but I imagine its small enough that such ill effects can be absorbed and leavened by the economic activity of the rest of population.
Again, I'm not an economist, so I don't have any real answers. I do wish there was one on board here. (is there one?) - r.

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